Shipboard Travels: A conversation between Charmaine Chua and Laleh Khalili (Part II)

Great interview on logistics networks and intermodal transport systems – particularly in regards to the interrelationships between immaterial capital (the so-called ‘financialization of everything’) and material production (labor and the physical networks that undergrid the system).

The Disorder Of Things

Part One just over here.


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LK: First of all, before we proceed, can I say how much I am enjoying this conversation?  Part of this is the ability to compare my experiences with someone of the same political disposition and theoretical commitments who can comment on the contrasts and similarities of the experience of travel aboard a containership, but part of it is also our gender identification.

I felt a kinship with you upon meeting you (as I did with Deb Cowen upon reading her amazing book) precisely because of us confounding gendered expectations of who would do this sort of research in an area –maritime labour, security, travel, and labour– that has always been –and continues to be– marked so profoundly as masculine. And I was really curious about your experience.

I think although I experienced one instance of ass-patting, by and large I think I had…

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